Eklund: The Flyers and Tocchet or a Giroux trade: Could it Happen? How Soon?

Giroux and Crosby are close?

As of the summer of 2015, when they were both at the WC, they were definitely not close, per Giroux.

Giroux and Crosby are close?

As of the summer of 2015, when they were both at the WC, they were definitely not close, per Giroux.
- KGBflyers10

cant get closer than that without soul kissing

Do not think Comcast will want to pay 6 million plus to the former coaches then pay Tocchet several million. Then in tune pay a new staff.

Flyers just are not as talented. A decade + of crap and counting.

Do not think Comcast will want to pay 6 million plus to the former coaches then pay Tocchet several million. Then in tune pay a new staff.

Flyers just are not as talented. A decade + of crap and counting.
- hello it's me 2050

yes, look at bryzgalov

Eklund: The Flyers and Tocchet or a Giroux trade: Could it Happen? How Soon?
- Eklund

I thought their priority was Khudobin to shore up the goaltending then they would be good.

Weird how Provorov is considered a vet in the article, but in the next breath Konecny and Sanheim are a couple of developing youngsters....Sanheim was drafted in 2014 and is in his 5th season with the Flyers. Provorov and Konecny were both drafted in 15 and are both in their 6th years with the Flyers (having a difference of like 20 gp). These guys have been with the team for half a decade already, with disappointing results thus far. They need to overhaul the organization, more specifically, how they're developing players......And stay away from Toch, makes no sense to bring him in. Should have axed this staff after the abysmal month of March last year and brought in Gallant. Rangers did well hiring him.

You say the flyers need Tocchet for his experience and is a solid head coach. He has a career coaching record of 178-200 for a winning % of 46.7%. Mike Yeo has a career record of 246-181 for a winning record of 57.6%.
So not only is Yeo more experienced he has a much better record.

I could see Giroux benefiting from a trade to a contender. Ideally, he would go to a team with enough depth at center to slot him in at 3C. Playing down in the lineup could put him away from the top end guys where he could thrive because he still brings skill at 34. I know he prefers to play wing but I think 3C is the best slot.

Don’t really get why Tocchet would be a good fit in Philly. He played there but so what. Tocchet wasn’t chosen for any of the openings after he left the Yotes. It just seems that Tocchet isn’t anyones first choice including Philly. The team that hires him would be settling. Brindy would be the holy grail for the Flyers.

I wonder if EK is familiar with the Pens' cap situation.

I wonder if EK is familiar with the Pens' cap situation.
- Rinosaur

Has he ever considered any teams cap situation before posting a roomer? Like…ever??

Just to clarify, some people considered the Flyers as garbage. An aging core, overrated goalie, Risto was garbage, Ellis was already on the downside, a bunch of awful contracts that can't be moved, a youth movement that have no real elite talent. Fully expected them to be in the lottery. Although if they can somehow add Khudobin then all bets are off.

You say the flyers need Tocchet for his experience and is a solid head coach. He has a career coaching record of 178-200 for a winning % of 46.7%. Mike Yeo has a career record of 246-181 for a winning record of 57.6%.
So not only is Yeo more experienced he has a much better record.
- TurdFergeson

Their both pretty bad coaches IMO. But as a Devils fan, I’d love to see them hire Tocchet and his 46.7% winning percentage. More years of misery in PHI

Who owns and runs this organization, really? If Comcast wants Tockett, damn it go get him NOW, HE WILL NOT BE AROUND AFTER THE SEASON, I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT!!!! There are at least two teams that would jump on him now, the Jets or Oilers. I think that after this season Comcast better get their you know what together and clean out the front office if not before. Fletcher is washed up as a GM and Yeo is not a head coach, all they had to look at is his time in St. Louis, even the players thought he was a joke.

Just to clarify, some people considered the Flyers as garbage. An aging core, overrated goalie, Risto was garbage, Ellis was already on the downside, a bunch of awful contracts that can't be moved, a youth movement that have no real elite talent. Fully expected them to be in the lottery. Although if they can somehow add Khudobin then all bets are off. Hockeybuzzed

Just to clarify, you’re saying pens fans were right?

Just to clarify, you’re saying pens fans were right?
- 10inchTerror

Sure. But also most people expected the Flyers to suck. Going into the season with Martin Jones was a huge mistake.

Sure. But also most people expected the Flyers to suck. Going into the season with Martin Jones was a huge mistake.
- HockeyBuzzed

Right. They would have been much better off if they brought in Bryzgalov. He’s only 41 and is in great shape. But I may have some bias because he owns a Siberian Husky like me.

Sharks have finally dropped Evander Kane! He gave them the opportunity by violating AHL Covid protocol (again). Not saying that will save the Sharks season, but it is definitely a load off of everyone not mention and additional $7 million in cap space. I hope that guy gets his act together. It's a terrible waste of talent.

Has he ever considered any teams cap situation before posting a roomer? Like…ever??
- TurdFergeson

I just go into all of these blog posts with the mindset of these "rumors" being trades or signings Ek thought up in an EA NHL game.

I could see Giroux benefiting from a trade to a contender. Ideally, he would go to a team with enough depth at center to slot him in at 3C. Playing down in the lineup could put him away from the top end guys where he could thrive because he still brings skill at 34. I know he prefers to play wing but I think 3C is the best slot.

Don’t really get why Tocchet would be a good fit in Philly. He played there but so what. Tocchet wasn’t chosen for any of the openings after he left the Yotes. It just seems that Tocchet isn’t anyones first choice including Philly. The team that hires him would be settling. Brindy would be the holy grail for the Flyers.
- Minnyhock

Giroux would make a great 3C but he is still a top 6 player in this league. I don't get the Tocchet love. He is exactly what the Flyers don't need.

I'm not 100% sure Tocchet would want the job. Has anyone kept up with him since he got traded out of Philly ? Other players on Pittsburgh told him that they don't dump the puck. He played that way and won a cup. Played next to players that were professionals. All he has to do is look at recent film to see this team doesn't have fight. He would look at their young talent, and see there isn't a lot. Would look to the GM for a track record, and see there isn't one. He would also look at capital for making trades, and see there isn't much. Finally the film would show him this team does nothing but dump, chip & chase, after all these years.
This organization needs about 5-10 years for someone to get it back on track, like the way Yzerman is doing in Detroit. Have to find a builder like him, but they don't grow on trees. Then you find the coach.

I'm not 100% sure Tocchet would want the job. Has anyone kept up with him since he got traded out of Philly ? Other players on Pittsburgh told him that they don't dump the puck. He played that way and won a cup. Played next to players that were professionals. All he has to do is look at recent film to see this team doesn't have fight. He would look at their young talent, and see there isn't a lot. Would look to the GM for a track record, and see there isn't one. He would also look at capital for making trades, and see there isn't much. Finally the film would show him this team does nothing but dump, chip & chase, after all these years.
This organization needs about 5-10 years for someone to get it back on track, like the way Yzerman is doing in Detroit. Have to find a builder like him, but they don't grow on trees. Then you find the coach.
- BluehorseShoe64

Can a coach correct a team that does nothing but dump, chip and chase?

Can a coach correct a team that does nothing but dump, chip and chase?
- MJL

As a former coach myself, in order to solve this type of problem, requires talent. In the case of dump & chase, two skills are missing. Speed / agility / stick handling and skating skills, to have more players who can play the possession game. Vigneault and Yeo had no other choice without those skills, have to dump & chase. You have to coach to what you have on the roster.

That being said, they have shown to be able to win despite losing the possession battle, being outshot & out chanced - as long as they played decent D with solid goaltending. But it's fool's gold. Can't survive a whole season chasing the game, wears everyone down. There's no replacement for possession time, control of the game, and out chancing the opponent.

Giroux would make a great 3C but he is still a top 6 player in this league. I don't get the Tocchet love. He is exactly what the Flyers don't need.
- MJL

Not saying he can’t play top 6 for many teams. Only that I think he would be optimal as a 3C on a team with Cup potential.

Can a coach correct a team that does nothing but dump, chip and chase?
- MJL

Case in point, one of the bloggers on this site criticized my support of Cole Caufield. They said he was flash in the pan. 2 nights later, he ran circles around the Flyers, created a dozen scoring chances where Hart had to come up big (and he did). Although HE didn't score himself, the Flyers got tired chasing the smaller Canadiens around the rink all night and lost to a team with only 6 wins. They lost to an inferior team because of the disparity in possession. It's the reason why they struggle against teams in the bottom half of the league. Despite not having the wins to show for it, those teams have young players who for nothing else, can skate. Those teams eventually get better when those young players gain experience.